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	<title>Comments on: On the Importance of Hebrew</title>
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		<title>By: Marshall Gordon</title>
		<link>http://occidentalisraeli.com/2009/06/26/importance-hebrew/comment-page-1/#comment-4622</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judaism teaches that G-d knows our thoughts, so Hebrew is ireelevant to prayer or communium with Hashem.

If the argument is that the liturgy of Judaism must be in Hebrew, one is taking a position with respect to what is important in Jewish culture.  It is not mandated by the tenets of Judaism.

I would argue that Hebrew, or rather a requirement that one knows it, is divisive rather than unifying, as was the Latin Mass in Catholicism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judaism teaches that G-d knows our thoughts, so Hebrew is ireelevant to prayer or communium with Hashem.</p>
<p>If the argument is that the liturgy of Judaism must be in Hebrew, one is taking a position with respect to what is important in Jewish culture.  It is not mandated by the tenets of Judaism.</p>
<p>I would argue that Hebrew, or rather a requirement that one knows it, is divisive rather than unifying, as was the Latin Mass in Catholicism.</p>
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		<title>By: Batya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Batya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years I&#039;ve been saying that it&#039;s part of the agenda to make sure that American kids don&#039;t feel comfortable in Israel.  Language is the key to good integration in the country.
When I last checked, a couple of years ago, Stern College didn&#039;t teach the high religious studies group in Hebrew.
The one year programs are in English and don&#039;t require Hebrew.  Kids return from Israel not knowing Hebrew.
What a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years I&#8217;ve been saying that it&#8217;s part of the agenda to make sure that American kids don&#8217;t feel comfortable in Israel.  Language is the key to good integration in the country.<br />
When I last checked, a couple of years ago, Stern College didn&#8217;t teach the high religious studies group in Hebrew.<br />
The one year programs are in English and don&#8217;t require Hebrew.  Kids return from Israel not knowing Hebrew.<br />
What a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How long is the program - is it just preschool, or later on, as well?&lt;/i&gt;

At the moment it is two years of preschool, but they make special arrangements for the grads who go into the preschool. Since this it is incredibly easy to find Israelis, virtually anywhere you go you hear Hebrew spoken so there are lots of opportunities to practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How long is the program &#8211; is it just preschool, or later on, as well?</i></p>
<p>At the moment it is two years of preschool, but they make special arrangements for the grads who go into the preschool. Since this it is incredibly easy to find Israelis, virtually anywhere you go you hear Hebrew spoken so there are lots of opportunities to practice.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
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		<description>My -orthodox- yeshiva experience was abysmal in terms Hebrew education. The rabbis, who probably have little to no formal language training, were lucky if they could control the class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My -orthodox- yeshiva experience was abysmal in terms Hebrew education. The rabbis, who probably have little to no formal language training, were lucky if they could control the class.</p>
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		<title>By: Hebrew Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hebrew Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with this post. Learning Hebrew should be essential part of the Jewish education (and for *everyone* who believes the Bible, including Christians). For many Jews, &quot;learning&quot; Hebrew means being able to get through the read the Tanakh, but not know Hebrew well enough to speak it if they went to Israel, or to understand the Tanakh in Hebrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this post. Learning Hebrew should be essential part of the Jewish education (and for *everyone* who believes the Bible, including Christians). For many Jews, &#8220;learning&#8221; Hebrew means being able to get through the read the Tanakh, but not know Hebrew well enough to speak it if they went to Israel, or to understand the Tanakh in Hebrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Garnel Ironheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garnel Ironheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father learned Hebrew back at the beginning of the State.  When I learned Hebrew during my year in Israel I came back and he tried to speak to me.   He was stunned when he heard all the grammatical mistakes I was making but I assured him &quot;everyone speaks that way, not like the textbook!&quot;

Kol hakavod on this post.  Last summer a spent a few days in Lakewood and was shocked by the near complete absence of Hebrew there.  Everything was either in badly spoken English or that Yeshivish pidgin.  Hebrew is certainly the language that will unite us.  Perhaps those who hold onto Yiddish so much are saying what they think of achdus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father learned Hebrew back at the beginning of the State.  When I learned Hebrew during my year in Israel I came back and he tried to speak to me.   He was stunned when he heard all the grammatical mistakes I was making but I assured him &#8220;everyone speaks that way, not like the textbook!&#8221;</p>
<p>Kol hakavod on this post.  Last summer a spent a few days in Lakewood and was shocked by the near complete absence of Hebrew there.  Everything was either in badly spoken English or that Yeshivish pidgin.  Hebrew is certainly the language that will unite us.  Perhaps those who hold onto Yiddish so much are saying what they think of achdus.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
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		<description>SJ- &lt;i&gt;&quot;I imagine that the stricter sects don’t want modern Hebrew and/or secular Israeli culture impeding on their puritanicalism.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but when looking at the modern Orthodox community, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the issue. So many people in that community go to Israel for a year, following high school graduation. Their parents, and community, know they are exposed to the secular aspects of Israeli culture. It is more of an issue in the Haredi community, where, as Leora mentioned, most of their Hebrew is from Chumash.

Leora - Of course some succeed and actually do learn Hebrew in day school. There are some schools who do a good job of teaching Hebrew. Unfortunately, I think they are the exception that proves the rule.

Vicki - Thanks. Regarding German - I take it you&#039;re aware of the &quot;Language War&quot; of Technion 95 years ago. It seems they are insistent on &lt;a href=&quot;http://israelity.com/2008/08/24/technion-goes-english/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;making the same mistake&lt;/a&gt;, this time with English.

Jack - That sounds amazing. Of course complete fluency is very difficult to achieve in a relatively isolated environment, but that is great. How long is the program - is it just preschool, or later on, as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ- <i>&#8220;I imagine that the stricter sects don’t want modern Hebrew and/or secular Israeli culture impeding on their puritanicalism.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes, but when looking at the modern Orthodox community, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the issue. So many people in that community go to Israel for a year, following high school graduation. Their parents, and community, know they are exposed to the secular aspects of Israeli culture. It is more of an issue in the Haredi community, where, as Leora mentioned, most of their Hebrew is from Chumash.</p>
<p>Leora &#8211; Of course some succeed and actually do learn Hebrew in day school. There are some schools who do a good job of teaching Hebrew. Unfortunately, I think they are the exception that proves the rule.</p>
<p>Vicki &#8211; Thanks. Regarding German &#8211; I take it you&#8217;re aware of the &#8220;Language War&#8221; of Technion 95 years ago. It seems they are insistent on <a href="http://israelity.com/2008/08/24/technion-goes-english/" rel="nofollow">making the same mistake</a>, this time with English.</p>
<p>Jack &#8211; That sounds amazing. Of course complete fluency is very difficult to achieve in a relatively isolated environment, but that is great. How long is the program &#8211; is it just preschool, or later on, as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a program within the Conservative movement that is designed to address that. It is a Hebrew immersion that my children went through with excellent results.

They started in preschool in classes that were taught by Israelis. My kids haven&#039;t quite realized what a benefit this was. When they speak they don&#039;t have my American accent and they understand an enormous amount.

I wouldn&#039;t declare them to be fluent, but it wouldn&#039;t take all that long to push them over the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a program within the Conservative movement that is designed to address that. It is a Hebrew immersion that my children went through with excellent results.</p>
<p>They started in preschool in classes that were taught by Israelis. My kids haven&#8217;t quite realized what a benefit this was. When they speak they don&#8217;t have my American accent and they understand an enormous amount.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t declare them to be fluent, but it wouldn&#8217;t take all that long to push them over the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One of the biggest failings of the American Jewish community is the refusal to incorporate effective Hebrew language instruction into the Jewish educational system.&quot;

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head, yet again.  I&#039;ve been hitting this nail on the head so many times that American Jews often come up to me and say, &quot;Hey, why do you keep hitting this nail?&quot; And I tell them, &quot;Ya ben zona, ma ata rotze mimeni?&quot;

We are nowhere as a people without Hebrew.  Mr. B&#039;s grandpa once said that German or English should be the national language of the Jewish people because they&#039;re more practical, a view held by many first Zionists, including Herzel, but obviously that is not the case, and Hebrew is now a thriving language.  I, as a Diaspora Jew, feel my Jewish experience enhanced 10x because I know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of the biggest failings of the American Jewish community is the refusal to incorporate effective Hebrew language instruction into the Jewish educational system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for hitting the nail on the head, yet again.  I&#8217;ve been hitting this nail on the head so many times that American Jews often come up to me and say, &#8220;Hey, why do you keep hitting this nail?&#8221; And I tell them, &#8220;Ya ben zona, ma ata rotze mimeni?&#8221;</p>
<p>We are nowhere as a people without Hebrew.  Mr. B&#8217;s grandpa once said that German or English should be the national language of the Jewish people because they&#8217;re more practical, a view held by many first Zionists, including Herzel, but obviously that is not the case, and Hebrew is now a thriving language.  I, as a Diaspora Jew, feel my Jewish experience enhanced 10x because I know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Leora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leora</dc:creator>
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		<description>Eliezer Ben Yehudah would have liked this post.  Aval yoter tov eem haya b&#039;ivrit.

Hey, I&#039;m an Orthodox Jewish Day school graduate, and I can do Hebrew.  If I lived in Israel, I&#039;d probably be fluent by now.  There are some who learn.

And yes, the Right Wingers don&#039;t want their children exposed to Zionism.  They learn Hebrew just as a means to learn Chumash.  Different values than yours.  Actually, the girls in the local more right wing Yeshiva learn Hebrew well in their Chumash class.  But I&#039;m sure they have no clue who Eliezer Ben Yehudah is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliezer Ben Yehudah would have liked this post.  Aval yoter tov eem haya b&#8217;ivrit.</p>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m an Orthodox Jewish Day school graduate, and I can do Hebrew.  If I lived in Israel, I&#8217;d probably be fluent by now.  There are some who learn.</p>
<p>And yes, the Right Wingers don&#8217;t want their children exposed to Zionism.  They learn Hebrew just as a means to learn Chumash.  Different values than yours.  Actually, the girls in the local more right wing Yeshiva learn Hebrew well in their Chumash class.  But I&#8217;m sure they have no clue who Eliezer Ben Yehudah is.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; One of the biggest failings of the American Jewish community is the refusal to incorporate effective Hebrew language instruction into the Jewish educational system.

I agree.


&gt;&gt; Even the average Orthodox Day School graduate can barely get by in Israel on Hebrew alone. Are they afraid that a stronger connection with Israel and Israelis will lead more to make aliyah, further weakening the American Jewish community?

I imagine that the stricter sects don&#039;t want modern Hebrew and/or secular Israeli culture impeding on their puritanicalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; One of the biggest failings of the American Jewish community is the refusal to incorporate effective Hebrew language instruction into the Jewish educational system.</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Even the average Orthodox Day School graduate can barely get by in Israel on Hebrew alone. Are they afraid that a stronger connection with Israel and Israelis will lead more to make aliyah, further weakening the American Jewish community?</p>
<p>I imagine that the stricter sects don&#8217;t want modern Hebrew and/or secular Israeli culture impeding on their puritanicalism.</p>
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